Fastest Street Car Racing

[GMCRACER]

This was posted over on the NMCA web site in response to a couple people bitching about no end of the year points fund....

The answer to your question? Why no points fund? Why do we have to pay for a season ending add in the magazine? Why do you folks think it is so awesome to race for so little? I think it is the racers fault! It is not the fault of the pro media gang. You folks grin and take it, while a very few have pushed and pushed for this very thing! Too bad you all do not get on the same page together, oh well? BG

Now there is a way to stay dedicated....

I remeber running Outlaw Street until Hot Rod took it over in 1998 an moved the BIG money in... Guess what it drove all the small guys out and the turn out dropped off, for that fact it almost killed the sport.... How much did Hot Rod loose when they sold the NMCA?

No one in the fastest street car world is making money... If you are doing it, it should be for the love of the sport....

I just thought I'd share this with everyone....

[super pro joe]

This was posted over on the NMCA web site in response to a couple people bitching about no end of the year points fund....



Now there is a way to stay dedicated....

I remeber running Outlaw Street until Hot Rod took it over in 1998 an moved the BIG money in... Guess what it drove all the small guys out and the turn out dropped off, for that fact it almost killed the sport.... How much did Hot Rod loose when they sold the NMCA?

No one in the fastest street car world is making money... If you are doing it, it should be for the love of the sport....

I just thought I'd share this with everyone....
George,not too many people do it for the love of the sport anymore....sad!:( At least i know i will always be true to the street culture.;)

[GMCRACER]

Hell Joe my game plan for 2007 is.... to change nothing!

I don't know who I am trying to fool to think I can hang with the top of the X/S field....
Let alone spend the money to race all of the events....
My chassis will not cert to go fast enough anyway, once again a money issue....

Goal 2007 to get down 41 every time I make a hit on the car, and go to the closest 4 NMCA races...

Why.... For the love of the sport! :patriot:

[Sheep DoGG]

Hell Joe my game plan for 2007 is.... to change nothing!

I don't know who I am trying to fool to think I can hang with the top of the X/S field....
Let alone spend the money to race all of the events....
My chassis will not cert to go fast enough anyway, once again a money issue....

Goal 2007 To survive the wrath of the Buski:scared:
I heard that:yup:

[Sheep DoGG]

George,not too many people do it for the love of the sport anymore....sad!:( At least i know i will always be true to the street culture.;)
They must be some broke ass motherfuckers then. :laughing:

[GMCRACER]

I heard that:yup:


:sleep: I'll take my chances..... :D

[GMCRACER]

They must be some broke ass motherfuckers then. :laughing:


GMCRACER :ustupid:

[Sheep DoGG]

GMCRACER :ustupid:
I mean if they do it for the money they must be broke motherfcuckers:yup:

[GMCRACER]

I mean if they do it for the money they must be broke motherfcuckers:yup:


I'm still a broke mother fucker..... :yup:

I should have taken up needle point or some shit..... :scared: :laughing:

[ICON]

This was posted over on the NMCA web site in response to a couple people bitching about no end of the year points fund....



Now there is a way to stay dedicated....

I remeber running Outlaw Street until Hot Rod took it over in 1998 an moved the BIG money in... Guess what it drove all the small guys out and the turn out dropped off, for that fact it almost killed the sport.... How much did Hot Rod loose when they sold the NMCA?

No one in the fastest street car world is making money... If you are doing it, it should be for the love of the sport....

I just thought I'd share this with everyone....

here some questions for you.
do you pay a mebership fee?
entrance/gate fee?
was the end of yr points fund made clear at the beginning of the season or did something change?

i feel that the NMCA(and others) are making alot of money from everyone that races.from vendors to entrance.i mean come on they aren't doing it for the love.they are doing it for the money.
but the people that run the events think that they are doing racer a favor by giving them something ,they in-turn have to pay for(entrance and mebership fees).

heres an example:
ffw norwalk,oh. they have a true street class that has no less than 100(:think: 165 this yr) cars with no purse.thats $50 a car that is pocketed.
where does the money go?

just my opinion,which may not mean much

[pkracing]

Goal 2007 to get down 41 every time I make a hit on the car, and go to the closest 4 NMCA races...

Why.... For the love of the sport! :patriot:i hear ya also george, i'm not doing what i'm doing to make money....just love racing and have fun:yup:
god bless drag racing:D
btw....what happened to a couple of your posts? you were at 3999 now at this point your at 3996?

[GMCRACER]

here some questions for you.
do you pay a mebership fee?
entrance/gate fee?
was the end of yr points fund made clear at the beginning of the season or did something change?

i feel that the NMCA(and others) are making alot of money from everyone that races.from vendors to entrance.i mean come on they aren't doing it for the love.they are doing it for the money.
but the people that run the events think that they are doing racer a favor by giving them something ,they in-turn have to pay for(entrance and mebership fees).

heres an example:
ffw norwalk,oh. they have a true street class that has no less than 100(:think: 165 this yr) cars with no purse.thats $50 a car that is pocketed.
where does the money go?

just my opinion,which may not mean much



I figured one of you Ford guys would jump on poor Billy's ship...

$45 per Year, $110 at the gate for a 3 day pass.... True Street does not require a membership....

ProMedia has not had an end of the year points fund ever...

There is plenty of contigency money to be made if you win or runner up... for that fact it is much more than the payouts....

Advertising, office space, full staff.... and they don't race at some of the backyard tracks that the NSCA does..... I'd imagine that costs money....

Don't get me wrong if there was NO money to be made they wouldn't be doing it, just like you would not go to work if they didn't pay you....

Ask ole Sheep Dog how rich 41 got from the racers this year.... That will give you an idea....

[GMCRACER]

what happened to a couple of your posts? you were at 3999 now at this point your at 3996?


I just noticed that as well.... I assume someone doesn't want me to die yet....:dead:

[pkracing]

I just noticed that as well.... I assume someone doesn't want me to die yet....:dead:before you say anything...it wasn't me:(

[GMCRACER]

before you say anything...it wasn't me:(


Fuck it I whored my way over the top..... :laughing:

[super pro joe]

Hell Joe my game plan for 2007 is.... to change nothing!

I don't know who I am trying to fool to think I can hang with the top of the X/S field....
Let alone spend the money to race all of the events....
My chassis will not cert to go fast enough anyway, once again a money issue....

Goal 2007 to get down 41 every time I make a hit on the car, and go to the closest 4 NMCA races...

Why.... For the love of the sport! :patriot:THATS WHY YOU DA' MAN!!!!;)

[gasguzzler]

heres an example:
ffw norwalk,oh. they have a true street class that has no less than 100(:think: 165 this yr) cars with no purse.thats $50 a car that is pocketed.
where does the money go?

just my opinion,which may not mean much

That money went to pay the Pro 5.0, Street Outlaw, and Renegade classes. Figure out what those classes paid out vs what they took in.

- Brian

[Sheep DoGG]

here some questions for you.
do you pay a mebership fee?
entrance/gate fee?
was the end of yr points fund made clear at the beginning of the season or did something change?

i feel that the NMCA(and others) are making alot of money from everyone that races.from vendors to entrance.i mean come on they aren't doing it for the love.they are doing it for the money.
but the people that run the events think that they are doing racer a favor by giving them something ,they in-turn have to pay for(entrance and mebership fees).

heres an example:
ffw norwalk,oh. they have a true street class that has no less than 100(:think: 165 this yr) cars with no purse.thats $50 a car that is pocketed.
where does the money go?

just my opinion,which may not mean much
I know for a fact that NMCA hasn't made a freakin dime off a race N.W.O.
There might be 3 or 4 tracks in the country that make a decent amount of money. I don't think there are any but I will give you the 3 or 4 just for argument sake.
I know you don't believe me and I don't really care. I have been doing this for 6 or 7 years now "Promoting" So I know what I am talking about.

[ICON]

I figured one of you Ford guys would jump on poor Billy's ship...
read below!!!

$45 per Year, $110 at the gate for a 3 day pass.... True Street does not require a membership....
true street also gets the least amount of respect!!!
and how many paid at the gate?the numbers add up!!!

ProMedia has not had an end of the year points fund ever...
then what brought up the dicussion?

There is plenty of contigency money to be made if you win or runner up... for that fact it is much more than the payouts....
and sponsors don't help out the event?

Advertising, office space, full staff.... and they don't race at some of the backyard tracks that the NSCA does..... I'd imagine that costs money....
sponsors don't help?

Don't get me wrong if there was NO money to be made they wouldn't be doing it, just like you would not go to work if they didn't pay you....
very true.

Ask ole Sheep Dog how rich 41 got from the racers this year.... That will give you an idea....
i have no idea how denny or the track made out

what kind of comment is this?FORD GUY????
i stated an opinion wtf does brand have anything to do with it?
if a person state an opinion its his opinion wiether you thinks its right or not.just like BG is his own man and can speak for himself

[ICON]

That money went to pay the Pro 5.0, Street Outlaw, and Renegade classes. Figure out what those classes paid out vs what they took in.

- Brian
i understand what you are stating.

[ICON]

I know for a fact that NMCA hasn't made a freakin dime off a race N.W.O.
There might be 3 or 4 tracks in the country that make a decent amount of money. I don't think there are any but I will give you the 3 or 4 just for argument sake.
I know you don't believe me and I don't really care. I have been doing this for 6 or 7 years now "Promoting" So I know what I am talking about.

then maybe the tracks should make a better budget and not ass rape the events.
i mean fuck,they are pulling in advertisement and bring business to these tracks.
if the track is up to par it gets repeat business!

so i have to take your word for it since i'm not there

[ICON]

i hear ya also george, i'm not doing what i'm doing to make money....just love racing and have fun:yup:



pk & gmc,
so then when you lock in a race for undisclosed amount of money and win.
where will it go?
donate it to the track?


SINCE YOU ARE DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF IT!!!
i'm also guessing sponsors will be out of the question!!!

[Sheep DoGG]

pk & gmc,
so then when you lock in a race for undisclosed amount of money and win.
where will it go?
donate it to the track?


SINCE YOU ARE DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF IT!!!
i'm also guessing sponsors will be out of the question!!!
Now thats a good idea:yup: Hell I could use the money:yup:

[SCJ514]

ICON Rules!
You better be nice Santa is gonna take that turbo away,and give it to me:yup:

[pkracing]

pk & gmc,
so then when you lock in a race for undisclosed amount of money and win.
where will it go?
donate it to the track?


SINCE YOU ARE DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF IT!!!
i'm also guessing sponsors will be out of the question!!!i didnt say all that now:D

[ICON]

i didnt say all that now:D

well come on "its for the love of racing"
:laughing:

[ICON]

You better be nice Santa is gonna take that turbo away,and give it to me:yup:

:laughing: precision i mean santa already dropped mine off

[Sheep DoGG]

well come on "its for the love of racing"
:laughing:
So do you just race for the money?:think:

[Sheep DoGG]

You better be nice Santa is gonna take that turbo away,and give it to me:yup:
I don't worry I have 2 of them:D

[ICON]

So do you just race for the money?:think:

nope!!!!
haven't raced my car in over 3 yrs.
when i had my black one it was just for respect and fun


why the :
ICON RULES
whats that all about?

[Sheep DoGG]

nope!!!!
I didn't think so.

[SCJ514]

I don't worry I have 2 of them:D
That means you got one too many ,buddy ,ol'pal.Ill be over in a few to take one off your hands:yup: :laughing: :laughing:

[Newbomb]

100 cars --- $2500
500 Spectators --- $5000
Totaling - $7500

Insurance - ?? Maybe $2000 an event ??
Payroll for the day - ATLEAST $1200-1500 ( I know I made that much)
Electricity- ??
VHT - ?? Oh I forgot 41 doesn't spray VHT :rolleyes:
Taxes- ??


Now lets say 41 made $2000 that race, just a TNT nite...

On some Wednesdays in November I've seen maybe 10-15 cars

So....

15 cars- $375
50 spectators - $500

$875!!! for ONE nite

Payroll - $500
Electricity (mind you its a NITE Race!) - $500???
INSURANCE!!!


Now do you guys understand?!!?

[Sheep DoGG]

100 cars --- $2500
500 Spectators --- $5000
Totaling - $7500

Insurance - ?? Maybe $2000 an event ??
Payroll for the day - ATLEAST $1200-1500 ( I know I made that much)
Electricity- ??
VHT - ?? Oh I forgot 41 doesn't spray VHT :rolleyes:
Taxes- ??


Now lets say 41 made $2000 that race, just a TNT nite...

On some Wednesdays in November I've seen maybe 10-15 cars

So....

15 cars- $375
50 spectators - $500

$875!!! for ONE nite

Payroll - $500
Electricity (mind you its a NITE Race!) - $500???
INSURANCE!!!


Now do you guys understand?!!?
:cry:

[ICON]

100 cars --- $2500
500 Spectators --- $5000
Totaling - $7500

Insurance - ?? Maybe $2000 an event ??
Payroll for the day - ATLEAST $1200-1500 ( I know I made that much)
Electricity- ??
VHT - ?? Oh I forgot 41 doesn't spray VHT :rolleyes: (TUFF'S COMMENTS)Taxes- ??


Now lets say 41 made $2000 that race, just a TNT nite...

On some Wednesdays in November I've seen maybe 10-15 cars

So....

15 cars- $375
50 spectators - $500

$875!!! for ONE nite

Payroll - $500
Electricity (mind you its a NITE Race!) - $500???
INSURANCE!!!


Now do you guys understand?!!?

THANKS ADAM!!!

[GMCRACER]

what kind of comment is this?FORD GUY????
i stated an opinion wtf does brand have anything to do with it?
if a person state an opinion its his opinion wiether you thinks its right or not.just like BG is his own man and can speak for himself


Calm down... I knew that would get your shorts in a bunch....Actually I figured PK would have been the first.....

By the time I read this I do believe that most of your comments have been answered....

As far as racing PK... I'll blow his panties off for the pure fun of it.... How many $ races do you think I had this year?

ZERO.... Know why? It is more fun that way.....

Sponsors?

Lemme think..... I have known ED over at MTS forever so he takes care of my trans work, as a friend.... I work at a waterjet shop, so any brackets or shit like that I can make for myself.... My father donated a vacuum pump and crank trigger.....

Yep.... There is my list.... Just thinkn I have about 50k on top of that in the car.... and that doesn't even get into the Vette...

[FearDaBoo]

Calm down... I knew that would get your shorts in a bunch....Actually I figured PK would have been the first.....

By the time I read this I do believe that most of your comments have been answered....

As far as racing PK... I'll blow his panties off for the pure fun of it.... How many $ races do you think I had this year?

ZERO.... Know why? It is more fun that way.....

Sponsors?

Lemme think..... I have known ED over at MTS forever so he takes care of my trans work, as a friend.... I work at a waterjet shop, so any brackets or shit like that I can make for myself.... My father donated a vacuum pump and crank trigger.....

Yep.... There is my list.... Just thinkn I have about 50k on top of that in the car.... and that doesn't even get into the Vette...

50K WOW give 25k And Ill put you in the 7s :laughing:

[pkracing]

i'll have 30g's in mine(+ or - a few g's) and i'll run the numbers you do on spray as i do on hp:yup: :p:

[Newbomb]

I'm just sayin that noone knows just how much money it costs to run the track too!!! :yup:

[GMCRACER]

i'll have 30g's in mine(+ or - a few g's) and i'll run the numbers you do on spray as i do on hp:yup: :p:


Cool so you'll run on motor and I get to spray.... I like that.... when are we going to do this 2022?

[GMCRACER]

50K WOW give 25k And Ill put you in the 7s :laughing:


To each their own....

I am sure that would be a BEAUTIFUL car for 25k.... :puke:

[GMCRACER]

I'm just sayin that noone knows just how much money it costs to run the track too!!! :yup:



for a change I agree with you......

[GMCRACER]

This thread was deleted..... but they did respond in another thread..... Take it for what it is worth....

Since Kevin Parent’s original question/thread about gold cards has been hijacked, I thought it would be better to post the response to Kevin’s question in a separate thread.
I have deleted the original thread as not to confuse those of you looking for an official response, having to wade through the above mentioned hijack.
In case you forgot the original question, it was: Has NMCA ever considered Gold cards?

ProMedia has never issued “Gold Cards” due to liability concerns. While many of you may be scratching your heads going “huh?” the explanation is simple. Our insurance underwriters and legal council view gold cards as a possible “enticement”. In other words, by not paying for entry, we are asking you to come race “on us”. In the event of an incident involving damage to property or personal injury, it could possibly be litigated that by offering a racer free entry to an event, the racer(s) is our “guest” and not a paying participant. Therefore it may be interpreted in a court of law that by having a select group of racers as our “guests” (read as -- since we “enticed” them to race) it could be argued that we are assuming liability for anything that may happen to him, his property, or anyone else or their property.
On the other hand, if a racer paid to race, he made an independent decision, not based on enticement, but on his willingness to compete in a dangerous sport, and by paying the entry fee, and signing the waiver, acknowledges that danger. When this is all broken down, it offers ProMedia an extra layer of protection in this ever-growing litigious society we regretfully live in.
Yes, other organizations offer Gold Cards, but unless they have specific insurance policies in place to cover this potential problem, they may be vulnerable. Larger organizations such as NHRA, which have Gold, Silver and Bronze cards issued to many of their racers, have a more inclusive insurance policy, which in turn, has a much higher premium. That premium is passed along to the racers as an “insurance surcharge” that each cardholder must pay before entry to an NHRA national event.

Thank you for your explanation and the jacket I received today is beautiful.
My other question was regarding a year-end points fund for the winner & runner-up from what I understand that was offered a few years ago. What happened to that ?

Val
NSS/#2


Valerie,

First, I'm glad you liked the jacket. Now, to the question at hand.
In this incarnation of the NMCA there has never been a points fund. Without spending the next four hours (and 50,000 words) trying to explain the history behind the entire “fastest street car” movement, I’ll try and make it simple.
In the beginning (late 80’s- early 90’s) there were jackets…only jackets. Then there were two organizations competing for racers…in the spirit of competition, one of those organizations decided to up the ante by offering a substantial points fund, forcing the other to do the same. Most of us who were involved in the sport at this time identify this now as one of (if not the) major contributor to the undermining of the grassroots appeal of our brand of drag racing. When the big money came, so did the big money racers. Granted, classes such as N/SS were not nearly as affected as others when it came to this infusion of cash (and if you were not around at the time) when one of the two organizations bought the other out, it was proposed that several classes be eliminated entirely (including N/SS). Out of this controversy, the NSCA was born and they pledged to continue those classes dropped by the “new” NMCA.
Not long after, seeing dropping numbers in terms of competitors, fans and sponsors, the two organizations soon lost the sponsors who were willing to shuck out big bucks at the end of the year. Faced with having to foot the bill on points funds themselves, both the NSCA and "old" NMCA canned the idea in an effort to bring back the grassroots racers and to preserve the bottom line. This enabled the organizations to continue offering racers a place to race, albeit without a points fund. If I recall there has not been a points fund since ’97 or ’98. However to some degree the damage was done in terms of the faster classes, the money was (and is) still being spent, and many of those original grassroots racers have never returned, although a few more are showing up again, now that there is stability in the sport.
While most of this really doesn’t affect you directly, it does have an indirect impact upon you and the other racers of your ilk.
If you will, take a look at the front page of the website and read what was just posted about the 2007 shootouts. While I realize this will not put another dime in your pocket in 2007, it illustrates that the NMCA is working towards rewarding those racers who finish well in points. For 2007 we have been able to make a huge commitment to those who race in the heads-up classes. Once we have a chance to measure the success of this shootout format with these classes, it is our intention to get a program in place to reward those of you who race in the index classes, but I cannot at this time say when that will happen.

[pkracing]

Cool so you'll run on motor and I get to spray.... I like that.... when are we going to do this 2022?damn dude, give me a break, my cars been out for almost one year and you keep making it sound like its been and is going to be for years....it will be out when it comes out, and not a minute sooner:mad: and when it does, we will race for food or money or whatever

[GMCRACER]

damn dude, give me a break, my cars been out for almost one year and you keep making it sound like its been and is going to be for years....it will be out when it comes out, and not a minute sooner:mad: and when it does, we will race for food or money or whatever


How about now? :D

[pkracing]

How about now? :D:blow: :stupid:

[GMCRACER]

:blow: :stupid:


I'll take that as a NO then.....

Don't ya love winter time shit talking.....

[pkracing]

I'll take that as a NO then.....

Don't ya love winter time shit talking.....:freak: :laughing: :laughing:

[ICON]

gmc,could you post a link?
so when i get to work on my break i can read the whole article.

[GMCRACER]

It is on fasteststreetcar.com...... You see what there is to see.... The good shit has been deleted.... They try and act like it is a business from time to time.....lol

[ICON]

It is on fasteststreetcar.com...... You see what there is to see.... The good shit has been deleted.... They try and act like it is a business from time to time.....lol

whats the s/r class like?
looks real close to a renegade class.:laughing:
i'm interrested but would have to get rid of the cam.maybe jay allen and precision turbo can work something up for me :think:
thanks

[GMCRACER]

and almost as quick....:laughing:

9 teens.... is the quickest.... most of the field is in the mid 9s.... they have just changed the rules a bit to tighten the field.... I don't know if everyone is going to get faster (that would be my bet) or if the slowed everyone down...

A turbocharged mustang was kicking ass in this class

[ICON]

A turbocharged mustang was kicking ass in this class


;) :D

[ICON]

and almost as quick....:laughing:

9 teens.... is the quickest.... most of the field is in the mid 9s.... they have just changed the rules a bit to tighten the field.... I don't know if everyone is going to get faster (that would be my bet) or if the slowed everyone down...

A turbocharged mustang was kicking ass in this class

yeah i also read where they don't want another 8 sec class.so the redone some rules

[GMCRACER]

;) :D

I figure you know by now.... I may joke around about the Chevy vs Ford thing.... But you can make then Fords (little motors anyway, hi PK :D ) run... Hell there all just pumps.....

I had thought for a few mins about putting a Ford in my Camaro.... A guy I know was selling one at the same time that I was putting my motor together that ran 8.20 in a stang.... Mind you that was 300lbs under X/S weight though...

I just know my father would disown me if I did something like that.... :laughing:

BTW- That motor (the Ford) has been burnt up 3 times since then.... I guess I am glad I stuck with what I know, just for being able to sneak up on a tune....

[GMCRACER]

yeah i also read where they don't want another 8 sec class.so the redone some rules

Pro Stock and Street Race (used to be Cheap Street) are going through a lot of changes..... They know if they don't get parity the classes will die, like Cheap Street (4 cars at best would show).... They just re-did Super Street last year, now Outlaw 10.5... They must have done alright as they have more cars attending....

[ICON]

I figure you know by now.... I may joke around about the Chevy vs Ford thing.... But you can make then Fords (little motors anyway, hi PK :D ) run... Hell there all just pumps.....

I had thought for a few mins about putting a Ford in my Camaro.... A guy I know was selling one at the same time that I was putting my motor together that ran 8.20 in a stang.... Mind you that was 300lbs under X/S weight though...

I just know my father would disown me if I did something like that.... :laughing:

BTW- That motor (the Ford) has been burnt up 3 times since then.... I guess I am glad I stuck with what I know, just for being able to sneak up on a tune....

you may want to edit some of that out as the peanut gallery may start the public hanging.:laughing:

well you dodged a major bullet when you decided against the motor,but you are right when you state they are pumps.
just some are more efficent(sp) than other.
good and bad with all.ford design on some thing are less than desirable(sp)12hr midnights work sucks i need a new job :(

[ICON]

Pro Stock and Street Race (used to be Cheap Street) are going through a lot of changes..... They know if they don't get parity the classes will die, like Cheap Street (4 cars at best would show).... They just re-did Super Street last year, now Outlaw 10.5... They must have done alright as they have more cars attending....

they should really consider a fogger setup.that may put some real interest in the class and not beat the shit out of the motors.
alsoo think about this.these are the same people that keep screwing around with RS class and they are losing alot of cars with the constant rule changes.

[FUK_N_JUNK]

I had thought for a few mins about putting a Ford in my Camaro.... A guy I know was selling one at the same time that I was putting my motor together that ran 8.20 in a stang.... Mind you that was 300lbs under X/S weight though......

Damn notch backs!!! Might as well toss it into a S10??? There about the same weight class right?? LIGHT AS FUCK
we can't get anywhere with these camaros 3879 is my best so far... but i've still got PS/PW/PL so i could drop a little more i'm sure? And you were talking about your tank?? I found a actual NHRA rated cell for the 3rd gen. goes right in the same place as the stock tank, but weighs in at 12lbs, 10 gallons but is a bit pricey at about $2800:scared:

[FearDaBoo]

(3879 is my best so far... but i've still got PS/PW/PL so i could drop a little more)

:scared: :spots: